Bishop Rachel (Anglican Bishop for HM prisons) in conversation with David Shipley (prison reform campaigner).
In this ninth podcast in the series of ‘Holding the Key: Unlocking the door to doing prison differently’, Bishop Rachel talks to David Shipley about his experiences and specific suggestions for ways that the criminal justice system could be transformed.
David Shipley has worked as a consultant for HM Inspectorate of Prisons and Probation, and has lived experience of being in prison himself. He says, “While I was in prison, I became radicalised. I think by the state of the prison system, by the way that it wastes time and lives, and ruins and destroys instead of healing and building, and changing in a positive way. So I promised myself that after I was out, I would speak up, campaign, write about it.”
Bishop Rachel says, “If we are only focussing on punishment, we’re not taking the long vision. I talk about transforming communities; what we ultimately want, surely, is neighbourhoods, communities where people flourish”. The two go on to speak about possible changes to the current system.
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About the series
Bishop Rachel is currently recording a series of Podcasts called – ‘Holding the key: A series of conversations to unlock the door to doing prison differently’. Bishop Rachel is joined by influencers and change-makers as they ask the questions – what is prison really for and more importantly what could the alternatives be?
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